Thursday, November 27, 2014
Our Haplogroup of Q1b1a or Q-L245
Nadene Goldfoot
Freddy Krupa of Croatia and head of the Siberian Dragon Ass, . has a great map of the Huns expanding from Mongolia which I just copied for this article. Our Q's came out of parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq and possibly southern Suadi Arabia 15,000 to 20,000 years ago. He just found that "DEEPAK CHOPRA (Chopra Clan/Gotra from Central Asia) turned out to be Q1b-L275."
This map shows a route our line could have taken, but it misses going into the Mediterranean Sea where our Q has been found. Q-L245 was found from the modern locations of the Ancient city of Ur down to the tip of Saudi Arabia and Oman. This covers the places where ancient Israel, Judah and Sumaria were located. (from Rebecca Canada). It has now been upgraded to be called Q-BZ67.
Going back to my own article written in 2012 on May 28th, "We go back 5,000 years for Q-M378 which includes Q-L245. There are some Q-M378 in the Middle East who are not Q-L245, however. This is why our leaders think that Q-L245 was born in the Middle East now. The age of Q-L245 needs work. Right now, they know that there are at least two branches."
On one of my articles on L-245, a comment left was, "By the way did you know Robert Oppenheimer(Manhattan project) was Q1b?"
Q-L245 as well as Q-M378 has been found throughout Iran. For that matter, it has been found throughout all of the ancient Babylonian and then Persian Empire lands. As long as you are willing to believe that the Babylonian captivity happened and was not an invented story, it makes the presence of Q-L245 in the Jewish populations simple to explain. from RC. Then I can only believe that it's possible our family line was a part of the Jews living in Persia during the days of Queen Esther, subject of our Purim history. Backing up in time to Babylonian attack of 597 and 586 BCE on Judah, the Jews captured were taken to Persia as well as to Babylonia which would be around Iran and Iraq. Strange, the 2 countries had a great war between them in from September 1980 (when I moved to Israel) that lasted till August 1988.
There are plenty of Q-M378 and Q-L245, Q-BZ67 men in Turkey too.
As for the Huns and when they entered the scene of our DNA, The Huns were a nomadic people or peoples, who are known to have lived in Eastern Europe, the Caucasus, and Central Asia between the 1st century CE and the 7th century which means 100 BCE to 600 CE. They were first reported living east of the Volga River, in an area that was part of Scythia at the time; the Huns' arrival is associated with the migration westward of a Scythian people, the Alans. They were first mentioned as Hunnoi by Tacitus. In 91 CE, the Huns were said to be living near the Caspian Sea and by about 150 CE had migrated southeast into the Caucasus. By 370 CE, the Huns had established a vast, if short-lived, dominion in Europe.
Now, the Khazars, who lived in what is now southern Russia, had established their own kingdom there and were predominantly Turkic and probably originated in the steppes of central Asia or perhaps in the Ural or Caucasus mountains. Their details of origin are still somewhat obscure. The early 9th century Greek historian, Theophanes, wrote that the Khazars were "eastern Turks." An Arab chronicler, al-Masudi, wrote that the Khazars are a tribe of the Turks. A Chinese chronicle also said that Khazars "belong to the tock of the Turks." A 12th century Rabbi Yehudah ben Barzillai of Barcelona said that the Khazars , who are Turks,'...A 13th century Polish writer, martinus Oppaviensis, called the Khazars Turks.
Most nomadic Turks and Khazars were racially and ethnically mixed. The Turks had people with black hair and dark brown eyes as well as red-haired people with green or hazel eyes and fair-haired people (blondes) with blue eyes. Some had high cheek bones, wide faces and narrow eyes like people of east Asia. Many looked like Europeans or Middle Easterners. Turk is not a racial term but applied to cover many different nomadic tribes who shared a common language and culture. Modern Turks carry these differences.
The Khazars bumped into the Huns. The Hunnic empire (Huns) started in the middle of Asia in the 3rd century BCE. They moved into southern Russia and Crimea by 380 CE. They controlled parts of the steppe lands during the 6th century including the Crimea. Some went into Romania.
By 555, the Khazars were listed among the nomadic tribes living in tents north of the Caucasus Mountains. The Western Turks ruled the Khazars for over 60 years. Khazaria was established as an independent state in the 630s and 640s. by Tong Yabghu's son. It was always multiethnic and mulitireligious throughout its entire existence. In the 7th century, the Khazars assimilated with other tribes and formed the Khaazarians. The Sabirs intermarried with a large part of both the Khazar and Magyar (Hungary) tribes. The Khazars became the dominant power in southern Russia. They displaced the Bulgars (mixed ones).
In the 720, the Khazars moved their capital to Samandar after the Arabs invaded their territory. Sometime between 730 and 750, Atil became the 3rd and final capital of the Khazar Empire. There were Muslim merchants living there.
Atil of 740, the capital had the kagan (king) , the bek, members of the army, 4,000 attendants and "pure-bred Khazars" living in it.
We know the story of Khazaria and how the Kagan chose Judaism over Christianity and Islam for his own religion. His famiiy also went along with his choice. Being such a diverse land, others could choose as they saw fit. It was quite democratic. Khazaria had also become a place of refuge, like an actual city of refuge found in Israel. Jews came here who found it unbearable under the government of other states for Jews who suffered from so much anti-Semitism. Islam had become very demanding for converts after Muhammad had died in 632 so this, plus the Christians after Constantine's rulings expecting all to convert, was too much.
Kiev in Ukraine, the magnificent "Mother of Russian Cities" had Khazaranians and Magyars living in it before Russia gobbled it up. It is on the banks of the Dnieper/Dnipro River. When in Russian hands in the days of Catherine II in 1791 was the ruler, it became one of the states of the Pale of Settlement that also included Latvia, Poland, and Belarus where Jews starting in 1795 under Russian government were allowed to live since Catherine didn't allow them to live in Russia. As it turned out, the less observant Jews tended to live here with the more orthodox living in Lithuania which was a center of Jewish learning.
Update origins: 12/9/2015 Resource: Alfred "Freddy" Krupa
The Jews of Khazaria 2nd edition by Kevin Alan Brook
Abraham's Children by Jon Entine
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/pale.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War
http://jewishfactsfromportland.blogspot.com/2010/01/jewish-genes-what-haplogroup-could-they.html
Freddy Krupa of Croatia and head of the Siberian Dragon Ass, . has a great map of the Huns expanding from Mongolia which I just copied for this article. Our Q's came out of parts of Turkey, Iran, Iraq and possibly southern Suadi Arabia 15,000 to 20,000 years ago. He just found that "DEEPAK CHOPRA (Chopra Clan/Gotra from Central Asia) turned out to be Q1b-L275."
This map shows a route our line could have taken, but it misses going into the Mediterranean Sea where our Q has been found. Q-L245 was found from the modern locations of the Ancient city of Ur down to the tip of Saudi Arabia and Oman. This covers the places where ancient Israel, Judah and Sumaria were located. (from Rebecca Canada). It has now been upgraded to be called Q-BZ67.
Going back to my own article written in 2012 on May 28th, "We go back 5,000 years for Q-M378 which includes Q-L245. There are some Q-M378 in the Middle East who are not Q-L245, however. This is why our leaders think that Q-L245 was born in the Middle East now. The age of Q-L245 needs work. Right now, they know that there are at least two branches."
On one of my articles on L-245, a comment left was, "By the way did you know Robert Oppenheimer(Manhattan project) was Q1b?"
Q-L245 as well as Q-M378 has been found throughout Iran. For that matter, it has been found throughout all of the ancient Babylonian and then Persian Empire lands. As long as you are willing to believe that the Babylonian captivity happened and was not an invented story, it makes the presence of Q-L245 in the Jewish populations simple to explain. from RC. Then I can only believe that it's possible our family line was a part of the Jews living in Persia during the days of Queen Esther, subject of our Purim history. Backing up in time to Babylonian attack of 597 and 586 BCE on Judah, the Jews captured were taken to Persia as well as to Babylonia which would be around Iran and Iraq. Strange, the 2 countries had a great war between them in from September 1980 (when I moved to Israel) that lasted till August 1988.
There are plenty of Q-M378 and Q-L245, Q-BZ67 men in Turkey too.
As for the Huns and when they entered the scene of our DNA, The Huns were a nomadic people or peoples, who are known to have lived in Eastern Europe, the Caucasus, and Central Asia between the 1st century CE and the 7th century which means 100 BCE to 600 CE. They were first reported living east of the Volga River, in an area that was part of Scythia at the time; the Huns' arrival is associated with the migration westward of a Scythian people, the Alans. They were first mentioned as Hunnoi by Tacitus. In 91 CE, the Huns were said to be living near the Caspian Sea and by about 150 CE had migrated southeast into the Caucasus. By 370 CE, the Huns had established a vast, if short-lived, dominion in Europe.
Now, the Khazars, who lived in what is now southern Russia, had established their own kingdom there and were predominantly Turkic and probably originated in the steppes of central Asia or perhaps in the Ural or Caucasus mountains. Their details of origin are still somewhat obscure. The early 9th century Greek historian, Theophanes, wrote that the Khazars were "eastern Turks." An Arab chronicler, al-Masudi, wrote that the Khazars are a tribe of the Turks. A Chinese chronicle also said that Khazars "belong to the tock of the Turks." A 12th century Rabbi Yehudah ben Barzillai of Barcelona said that the Khazars , who are Turks,'...A 13th century Polish writer, martinus Oppaviensis, called the Khazars Turks.
Most nomadic Turks and Khazars were racially and ethnically mixed. The Turks had people with black hair and dark brown eyes as well as red-haired people with green or hazel eyes and fair-haired people (blondes) with blue eyes. Some had high cheek bones, wide faces and narrow eyes like people of east Asia. Many looked like Europeans or Middle Easterners. Turk is not a racial term but applied to cover many different nomadic tribes who shared a common language and culture. Modern Turks carry these differences.
The Khazars bumped into the Huns. The Hunnic empire (Huns) started in the middle of Asia in the 3rd century BCE. They moved into southern Russia and Crimea by 380 CE. They controlled parts of the steppe lands during the 6th century including the Crimea. Some went into Romania.
By 555, the Khazars were listed among the nomadic tribes living in tents north of the Caucasus Mountains. The Western Turks ruled the Khazars for over 60 years. Khazaria was established as an independent state in the 630s and 640s. by Tong Yabghu's son. It was always multiethnic and mulitireligious throughout its entire existence. In the 7th century, the Khazars assimilated with other tribes and formed the Khaazarians. The Sabirs intermarried with a large part of both the Khazar and Magyar (Hungary) tribes. The Khazars became the dominant power in southern Russia. They displaced the Bulgars (mixed ones).
In the 720, the Khazars moved their capital to Samandar after the Arabs invaded their territory. Sometime between 730 and 750, Atil became the 3rd and final capital of the Khazar Empire. There were Muslim merchants living there.
Atil of 740, the capital had the kagan (king) , the bek, members of the army, 4,000 attendants and "pure-bred Khazars" living in it.
We know the story of Khazaria and how the Kagan chose Judaism over Christianity and Islam for his own religion. His famiiy also went along with his choice. Being such a diverse land, others could choose as they saw fit. It was quite democratic. Khazaria had also become a place of refuge, like an actual city of refuge found in Israel. Jews came here who found it unbearable under the government of other states for Jews who suffered from so much anti-Semitism. Islam had become very demanding for converts after Muhammad had died in 632 so this, plus the Christians after Constantine's rulings expecting all to convert, was too much.
Kiev in Ukraine, the magnificent "Mother of Russian Cities" had Khazaranians and Magyars living in it before Russia gobbled it up. It is on the banks of the Dnieper/Dnipro River. When in Russian hands in the days of Catherine II in 1791 was the ruler, it became one of the states of the Pale of Settlement that also included Latvia, Poland, and Belarus where Jews starting in 1795 under Russian government were allowed to live since Catherine didn't allow them to live in Russia. As it turned out, the less observant Jews tended to live here with the more orthodox living in Lithuania which was a center of Jewish learning.
Update origins: 12/9/2015 Resource: Alfred "Freddy" Krupa
The Jews of Khazaria 2nd edition by Kevin Alan Brook
Abraham's Children by Jon Entine
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/pale.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War
http://jewishfactsfromportland.blogspot.com/2010/01/jewish-genes-what-haplogroup-could-they.html
Labels: Deepak Chopra, Haplogroup Q-L245, Khazaria, Kiev, L275, map of Huns, Pale of Settlement, Turkey, Ukraine
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Hi, Nadine, I recently tested with FTDNA and I'm trying to figure out how my Q-M242 ends up with my gf in northeast Romania. I see some say that it's = M378. Very confused! Do you have any ideas? There isn't much apart from K. Brook that I can find, even with access to academic sources online!
TIA, Michael Marcus in CT (and my mtDNA is also rare for "Ashkenazim" --- it's African L2a1!
TIA, Michael Marcus in CT (and my mtDNA is also rare for "Ashkenazim" --- it's African L2a1!
can you explain more about the Arabian results in Q-L245? especially the Saudi ones.
in our Arabic culture we have sources about some Jewish tribes that came to Yathrib and Taif -in Saudi Arabia-, but we don't know whether they are tribes of Arab origin or Jewish origin that which are Grandsons of prophet Isaac, and the strange thing is that there is a small tribe living near Taif that have the same mutation as yours -Q-L245-, so do you have an explanation for that? Do you have sources that mentioned a migration of a Jewish tribe to Arab lands?
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in our Arabic culture we have sources about some Jewish tribes that came to Yathrib and Taif -in Saudi Arabia-, but we don't know whether they are tribes of Arab origin or Jewish origin that which are Grandsons of prophet Isaac, and the strange thing is that there is a small tribe living near Taif that have the same mutation as yours -Q-L245-, so do you have an explanation for that? Do you have sources that mentioned a migration of a Jewish tribe to Arab lands?
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